Author Barbara Shoup joins LitPick for Six Minutes with an Author! Barbara is the author of Looking for Jack Kerouac. Her young adult novels, Wish You Were Here and Stranded in Harmony were selected as American Library Association Best Books for Young Adults. Vermeer’s Daughter was a School Library Journal Best Adult Book for Young Adults. She is the recipient of numerous grants from the Indiana Arts Council, two creative renewal grants from the Arts Council of Indianapolis, the 2006 PEN Phyllis Naylor Working Writer Fellowship, and the 2012 Eugene and Marilyn Glick Regional Indiana Author Award. She was the writer-in-residence at Broad Ripple High School Center for the Humanities and the Performing arts for twenty years. Currently, she is the executive director of the Writers Center of Indiana, an associate faculty member at Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis, and an associate editor with OV Books.
How did you get started writing?
I started writing before I could read, making squiggles on the page. I wrote, secretly, through elementary school until I wrote my first novel, Slave Girl, when I was in the fifth grade—about a girl escaping from the south by Underground Railroad. I copied the final version very carefully, found the address of a publisher in a library book, sent it off to New York—thus, receiving my first rejection. But the real problem was that I had thought the Underground Railway was a subway. When we got to the unit in social studies not long afterward and I found out what it really was, I didn’t write again for twenty years. Seriously. I felt that dumb.
In my late twenties, one of my students asked me if there was anything else I had thought I might want to do other than teach. Reluctantly, because I thought it was important to tell students the truth, I admitted that I once wanted to be a writer. “Why aren’t you?” he asked. I couldn’t answer the question in any way that didn’t seem a cop-out to me, so I figured I’d better get up my courage and try.
I just jumped in and wrote a novel, through some combination of instinct and dumb luck. It was good enough to get me an agent, though it never sold. Meanwhile, I took classes at a local writers center, attended writers conferences, read everything I could get my hands on about the writing process, and began to build a community of writers. The second novel I wrote (Night Watch) did sell, which gave me the confidence I needed to believe that I really could be a writer, if I tried. That confidence was tested severely, because it was 12 years before my next book (Wish You Were Here) sold. But I stuck with it, determined to be the writer I had always wanted to be.
Who influenced you?
I had a wonderful mentor during the first ten or so years of my writing life, an experienced writer who believed in me when it was hard for me to believe in myself and taught me how to pay attention to my writing at the sentence level. Even though she passed away long ago, I still hear her voice inside my head when a sentence isn’t quite right, telling me to keep at it until it is. She not only influenced my writing profoundly, but also my teaching. She made me want to be that encouraging and challenging voice for my students.
Do you have a favorite book/subject/character/setting?
I don’t have a favorite of my own books. But I particularly enjoyed the process of writing Vermeer’s Daughter. I loved all the research I had to do on Vermeer himself, the chemistry and techniques of painting, and life in17th Century Holland. I loved how I had to look at his paintings again and again to find the story I wanted to make of them. It wasn’t easier to write than any of the others. It’s never easy. But living inside that book during the time I was writing it enriched my real world immeasurably and provided hours and hours of pure delight.
As for books by other writers, I don’t have any one favorite book. A few books I love (and that I think young adult readers would enjoy, too) are The Things They Carried (Tim O’Brien), The Catcher in the Rye (JD Salinger), Someday This Pain Will be Useful to Me (Peter Cameron), We Were Liars and The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau Banks (E. Lockhart), My Tiki Girl (Jennifer McMahon), Looking for Alaska (John Green), and Rule of the Bone (Russell Banks),
Here’s what they have in common: they’re raw, they’re honest, they’re smart, they make me laugh and cry (often at the same time).
What advice do you have for someone who wants to be an author?
Write from your heart.
Never give up.
Revise, revise, revise.
And measure your success by whether serious readers and/or writers you admire respect your work, not by how much money you make or how famous you become.
Where is your favorite place to write?
I have three favorite places. My cozy pink office at home, with a painting given to me by a talented friend just above my desk; our family get-away in Michigan, where time seems to take on a whole different dimension; and Ragdale, where I occasionally have the opportunity to work within an inspired community of other writers and artists, each of us in our own room, our own world—until dinner, when we come together and talk about everything under the sun.
What else would you like to tell us?
Hmmm, let’s see. I’ve been married for 47 (!) years to the guy I met the first day I was at college. I have two daughters and two grandkids—all fabulous, of course. I have a dog named Lewis, a border collie mix, who is very endearing, which is a very good thing for him because he’s kind of insane. We have a goofy family tradition, the waffle toss, which we have on special occasions. We have waffles for breakfast, then toss the extras trying to get one into the car window. I know. Duh? You sort of have to be there. I love, love, love Italy and am always happy there--as in the photo with the double rainbow.
To say Barbara Shoup is passionate about writing would be an understatement. The award-winning author has been recognized with multiple honors for her work, and in August, she will release her eighth novel “Looking for Jack Kerouac” with Lacewing Books, the young adult imprint of Engine Books.
Shoup is the author of seven other novels, including “Night Watch” (1982), “Wish You Were Here” (1994/2008), “Stranded in Harmony” (1997/2001), “Faithful Women” (1999), “Vermeer’s Daughter” (2003/2014), “Everything You Want” (2008) and “An American Tune” (2012). She is the executive director of the Indiana Writers Center and the co-author of “Novel Ideas: Contemporary Authors Share the Creative Process” (2000) and “Story Matters: Contemporary Short Story Writers Share the Creative Process (2006).”
Shoup graduated from Indiana University in Bloomington with a bachelor’s degree in elementary education and master’s degree in secondary education. She taught creative writing to high school students for more than twenty years.
Shoup’s short fiction, poetry, essays and interviews have appeared in numerous small magazines, as well as in The Writer and The New York Times travel section. Her young adult novels, “Wish You Were Here” and “Stranded in Harmony” were selected as American Library Association Best Books for Young Adults. “Vermeer’s Daughter” was a School Library Journal Best Adult Book for Young Adults.
Shoup is the recipient of numerous grants from the Indiana Arts Council, two creative renewal grants from the Arts Council of Indianapolis, the 2006 PEN Phyllis Reynolds Naylor Working Writer Fellowship and the 2012 Eugene and Marilyn Glick Regional Indiana Author Award.
Shoup has lived in Indiana all her life. She is married with two daughters and two grandchildren.
Q&A with Barbara Shoup
Where did the idea for “Looking for Jack Kerouac” come from?
A friend and fellow writer told me about his idea for a screenplay called “Looking for Jack Kerouac” with similar story line. I thought it sounded like a terrific idea for a young adult novel and said, joking, “If you ever decide you don’t want to do the screenplay, could I have the idea?” A few years later, he said, “Remember that Kerouac idea? I’m not going to do it, so you can have it if you want it.” “Cool,” I said. “Thanks!” But it was just an idea and I had a hard time finding a way to make it my own.
Then, sadly, one of my sisters died of brain cancer. Not long after her death, an image of her behind the counter of a diner floated into my mind’s eye. There was Ginny! One of the most painful things about my sister’s illness and death was watching her two teenage sons go through it and, after I found Ginny (and the idea that I could, in a way, bring my sister back to life through her), it occurred to me that Paul might have had the same experience as my oldest nephew. At which point the book became about a whole lot more than a road trip for me. It was a way of processing my own grief about my sister and trying to better understand what losing their mother had been like for her boys.
What are the differences between the real Jack Kerouac and the man portrayed in your book?
My personal understanding of the real Jack Kerouac came from reading everything he’d written, as well as reading biographies and memoirs by those who knew him, which revealed a complexity that humanized the icon he’s become. He was brilliant, driven, ambitious in his work. He was arrogant, difficult, reckless, rebellious; generous, tender, sad, kind, wrecked. He was drop-dead handsome; he was shy with women. He was free-wheeling and adventurous; he spent most of his life off the road living with his mother, who did factory work to support him. He was obsessed with baseball and, to his death, played a baseball card game he invented when he was a boy. He admired the tenets of Buddhism and worked to synthesize him with his Catholic beliefs, but by the end of his life he’d reverted to Catholic beliefs so conservative that some called them medieval. He craved and hated the fame that came his way. He died of alcoholism at the age of 47, while sharing a small, cramped house with his mother in St. Petersburg, Florida.
I tried to make my fictional Kerouac as close as I could to what I understood the real to have been. It was important to me that readers see him not as the icon, but as a man whose life had not turned out happily, but whose generosity in acknowledging a sadness surrounding an early loss in his own life could make a real difference to a young man trying to find his path. I also wanted to paint a realistic picture about the writing life and what the price of fame can be.
How did you immerse yourself into the life of Jack Kerouac?
I did a lot of research on Jack Kerouac, his circle of friends, New York in the ‘50s, and the ‘50s, generally. I listened to music Kerouac listened to. Also, thanks to a grant, I took Paul and Duke’s road trip from Indiana to St. Petersburg, Fla., noting interesting details along the way and jotting down ideas for the story that popped up because of what I saw. Once in St. Petersburg, I found the house where Kerouac had lived with his mother and explored parts of the city where I knew he’d hung out, and I began to see him there.
I also read widely about 1964, which was a pivotal year for numerous issues, including the immediate aftermath of the Kennedy assassination, civil rights and the war in Vietnam.
What was it like seeing Jack Kerouac’s home in person?
It made me sad and brought a visceral understanding of how small and shabby Kerouac’s life ultimately became. But it also brought the thrill I always feel when I have the good fortune to be able to step into the world I’m writing about. He lived there. He stood where I stood, walked up the path to the front door, opened it, went in. There was the window of his front bedroom, through which the sound of his typewriter could be heard on warm evenings. His cats had skulked in shrubbery beneath it. The huge tree in the narrow dividing strip between the sidewalk and front yard must have been a sapling then.
Visiting the setting of a work in progress always generates new ideas for plot and scene—not necessarily only at the moment you’re there. They enter the mix in your mind, waiting to pop up when you need them. I take a lot of photos, which I use to refresh my memory about small details. These, too, suggest new possibilities. Writing the scene near the end of the book, in which Paul goes to Jack’s house alone, at night, grew from seeing the house, the window from which Paul could hear Jack typing.
What is your favorite Jack Kerouac book?
“Visions of Gerard,” a fictional meditation on the loss of Kerouac’s saintly older brother, whose death from rheumatic fever at the age of nine profoundly affected the way Kerouac saw the world and was the cornerstone of his work, in which he so often struggled to find balance between exultation and sorrow. The book triggered my fictional Kerouac’s response when Paul tells him about his mother’s death: “And you will never get over [the loss of your mother]. It’s not meant for us to get over that kind of sadness.” It unlocked a door inside Paul that gave him entry into the next part of his life, in which the grief could find a proportionate place to settle inside him. As I wrote the scene, I felt the grief I felt about my sister’s death settle inside me.
“Looking for Jack Kerouac” is set in 1964. In what ways will modern young adults relate to the characters in your book?
1964 was a turbulent year in which Americans dealt with grief and confusion in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination that happened late 1963, increasing racial conflict, and the escalation of the war in Vietnam. It was the year that “ordinary” kids began to question the moral stance of our country on these and other issues that would play out for the rest of their lives. Kids today are not only living the consequences of those times but questioning current political decisions that have created a new kind of segregation in our communities and involved us in wars that many consider senseless and immoral. Human nature doesn’t change, really. Reading about the past helps people of all ages understand this, while at the same time encouraging them to consider ways they can make their own small worlds a little better.
Even though “Looking for Jack Kerouac” is billed as a young adult novel, it seems like adults would also enjoy this book – and you’ve won awards in the past for writing crossover stories. Was that your intention?
2014 is the 50th anniversary of the high school class of 1964. All over the country, Baby Boomers will be gathering at class reunions, talking about what it was like when they were young, wondering how in the world they got from 18 to 68. Looking for Jack Kerouac is not only a book that introduces an exciting era of change to young people, but vividly brings it back to those who lived and remembered it. Adults of all ages who appreciate a good coming of age story will also enjoy the novel.
How do hope the stories you write help young adults as they struggle to understand themselves and the world they live in?
Many years ago, I visited a high school class that had read my book, Stranded in Harmony. A lively discussion ensued about the fact that the main character had had sexual relations with his girlfriend, who he feared might be pregnant. Some students appreciated the honesty with which I approached this part of adolescent life. Others felt that fictional teen characters shouldn’t have sex because this implied that having sex before marriage was acceptable. A few were okay with the sexual relationship, but felt that the main character’s girlfriend should have been pregnant as punishment for the immoral act. Near the end of class, a girl in the back of the room raised her hand. “I’m pregnant,” she said. “This book helped me understand the way my boyfriend acted when I told him.” The bell rang. She was gone. It totally blew me away! It’s what we hope for, writing novels for people of any age—that it makes a difference to them, somehow.
You studied education at Indiana University and now you’re the head of the Indiana Writers Center. Tell us more about the role that teaching plays in your life.
I’ve been teaching writing, one way or another, for more than 40 years. I taught creative writing to high school students for 20 years, which I loved, and I continue to visit high school classes to talk about writing and the writing life. As the executive director of the Indiana Writers Center, I teach people of all ages – from kindergarteners to people in their 90s. Writing and teaching are inseparable to me.
Everyone’s life is a story and writing that story is a great gift to yourself and others – whether you do it through fiction or simply writing down what you remember for family and friends. Working with the Indiana Writers Center has made me fully understand the truth and power in my belief that everyone has a story worth telling.
You’ve interviewed nearly 50 novelists and short story writers about the creative process for your books, “Novel Ideas” and “Story Matters.” What was the most important lesson you learned from them?
One of my favorite quotes about writing comes from Iris Murdoch’s “The Black Prince”: “I live, I live with a continuous sense of failure. I am always defeated, always. Every book is the wreck of a perfect idea. The years pass and one has only one life. If one has a thing to do one must do it and keep on and on and on trying to do it better.” I know. It sounds so…negative. But the first time I read it I was so relieved because it made me realize that I was not alone in the way I felt about my work. There is joy in the process, of course. But it is also a huge and often daunting emotional challenge to write well. Interviewing all those authors whose work I admired made me feel part of a community of serious writers who try and fail and try again (and again) to say something real about what it’s like to be human.